ACORN stole the election

So nice of you to post such a well thought answer and with such great references for your thinking...I really liked the links you provided to back up your claim, what a nice touch....hard to argue with facts huh?? get real!!!

Not only that, the big registration drives happened in the months preceding the primary season. Wonder why the 'Pubs were silent then, hmmmm????

Just thought I'd say this for grins....there really is a guy named Donald Gary Duck. I met him in the Army back in 1974. He carries around articles written about him to prove it. Boy, the stories he had!

What the RNC failed to mention that even if the voter forms were fake you can only vote one time because, your ID is checked before you are allowed to vote and unless you have an ID that says Donald Duck that shows that you are registered in a certain district with a valid address as well there is no way anyone can falsely vote. Did the RNC thank that all Americans are stupid enough to believe such a thing? Well some are and they believed the propaganda that the RNC was promoting.

Sorry April you are very incorrect about the use of ID's prior to voting.  Only about 50% of the States require ID in elections and this is verified by the Census Bureau.  It is sad of course and it needs to be corrected soon.

This is just sour grapes because Obama won by a landslide.

Nah, McCain never had a chance. We aren't sore losers that never recognized our President. We have to put our own house together.

But.....obviously ACORN receives a lot of money. Therefore, No more Federal help.

The FBI? I want a link to that...I never heard anything about that. I'll agree with the GOP comment without a link - but - I need to see evidence of the FBI doing it.

ACORn was the one that initially reported descrepencies. Their lists were for persuading people to register to vote. Voter fraud is when one actually votes illegally. There is very little evidence of that. What should we call the imitidation tactics of 2000 and 2004 where the FBI and thugs hired by the GOP tired to keep anyone of color from voting in key districts? That's the kind of crap the Soviet Union would be proud of. This is just sour grapes because Obama won by a landslide.

That's a serious accusation, so where is your evidence or is this something you read in one of the Nation of Islam's periodicals?  Or something Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton screamed about on TV?   Please provide links, because I really want to see this for myself.

http://www.stealingamericathemovie.org/

First we need to understand the terms.  There is "Voter Registration Fraud" and "Voter fraud".  Registration Fraud means absolutely nothing unless the false names come to the polls trying to vote.  So until "Mickey Mouse", or "Ben Dover" try to vote the only people who have had any fraud perpetrated against them is ACORN.  They pay these people mostly by the Name, so if they pay them for false names ACORN is out of pocket for the funds.  The election is never effected.

There are so many reason given about why Barack won, ACORN signed up phony voters, He's black and ppl wanted a black President, He bought the election by raising so much money, Bush screwed up the economy, but they never any reason about why he BEAT John McCain.  It's like, he won, but no one wants to give him credit for beating his opponent.  We all said Barack was going to have to win in a landslide in order for there to be no question of his victory.  His win was pretty lopsided, but I guess not enough for there to be no question of his victory.

Graham, "illegals" By definition, can not vote.  you have to be a citizen in order to vote in a U.S. Election!  "Winos", as long as they are 18yrs of age or older and a U.S. citizen they have as much right to vote as anyone else meeting the same criteria.  I don't know of any laws that prohibit your voters rights based on alcohol consumption! 

ACORN was never hired by the DNC to register voters.  ACORN registers voters as an independent community organization.  They don't register Democrats or Republicans, they register voters!  The fact that they are a community based organization, based in more urban communities would suggest that they register more democrats since minorities mostly live in urban communities.  What you have to realize is that these registered voter step into the ballot booth by themselves.  No one is in there forcing anyone to vote one way or the other. 

There are going to be sour grapes, and accusations regarding this election for a long time to come.  I expected that all along.  just make the arguments intelligent, and at the very least feasable. 

Obama fan, You're right. Illegals are not allowed to vote. However, voter registrations aren't always verified thoroughly. I know on a personal level because my 16 year old niece thought it would be cute to go register at a concert booth. She put down the last 4 of her Social and didn't get ID'd election day. Her friend did the same. They brought their registration cards and that was that. Of course when they plastered pictures and sent of brag bulletins on Myspace, we confirmed what they did. Needless to say I flipped my lid and called her dad. Apparently public schools haven't been teaching the definitions of fraud and federal offense.

It didn't steal the election, but there were fraudulent votes.

Young, I see what you mean, but my original response towards Graham was in retort of his comments that make these frauds the fault of the DNC or the Democratic party in some way. 

I hope your niece has that same enthusiasm in the next Presidential Election when it is actually legal for her to vote.  LOL

if  a couple of employee's of Nike stole sneakers and were selling them out of the trunk of their cars would Nike be called a corrupt organization?  No!  Every company, organization, Political office, race, and neighborhood has individuals who do bad things.  It's not a testament of the practices of the entire group.  For you to call an entire organization "Corrupt" for the actions of a few is unfare.

Some "employees" of Arthur Andersen LLP cooked the books on their audit for Enron and happened to shred some papers.  And convicted of a felony and the company gave up it's CPA License. Arthur Andersen LLP was the defendant on the case. Would you consider Arthur Andersen a corrupt company? 

These poor employees of ACORN were left to sit in jail and be the scapegoat for ACORN.

if  a couple of employee's of Nike stole sneakers and were selling them out of the trunk of their cars would Nike be called a corrupt organization?  No!  Every company, organization, Political office, race, and neighborhood has individuals who do bad things.  It's not a testament of the practices of the entire group.  For you to call an entire organization "Corrupt" for the actions of a few is unfare.

A few? How many states have open investigation of voter fraud on behalf of this organization? I know there's on here in Minnesota, and there's one in Nevada. I'm sure I can look up a few more if you need. It's not just a few isolated people, the organization as a whole is being investigated. Do you know who STARTED ACORN? Further, do you know the intent of the organization when it was launched?

Some "employees" of Arthur Andersen LLP cooked the books on their audit for Enron and happened to shred some papers.  And convicted of a felony and the company gave up it's CPA License. Arthur Andersen LLP was the defendant on the case. Would you consider Arthur Andersen a corrupt company? 

These poor employees of ACORN were left to sit in jail and be the scapegoat for ACORN.

Arthur Anderson is a private corporation. ACORN is not.

Employees representing a company reflect that company. If you received bad service at a restaurant multiple times at different locations you would stop going to that restaurant.

If multiple employees from different locations are doing the same wrong things, how do you explain that? They don't practice discretion in hirings? If they don't, why should they be the beneficiary of my tax dollars.

taytay, correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't these workers compensated also on how many people they register (So, that they actually try to engage people when they're working, not just sitting off to the side collecting an hourly wage)?  If so, now you've got someone that potentially after 3 hours has obtained 1 signature?  So, a less-than-honest person may be tempted then to make up names to get paid more money.  These made up people will never be able to VOTE, but this person will get paid for registering their names, just the same.  So, the loser in the situation is Acorn (Or insert Voter Registration Organization here), not the integrity of the Voting System.

To TayTay;

    The biggest difference between Walmart and Acorn is, Walmart fires people for stealing.    Acorn could careless about who they hire.    They've been doing this for years, and as a company, who keeps having this problem, it either make's them stupid or they have an agenda.    As a tax payer, wouldn't you want your tax money, that you work hard for, give to the government to spend anyway they like, want it controlled so taxes don't go up on you.    Is it that the Democratic party can't get their message out in an honest way and need people like dishonest so called non-partisan Acorn to get voters, no matter how.    Remeber Air America?    They folded, because no one would fund them or listen to them anymore unless you were extreme.   Ever wonder why conservative talk radio and Fox News Cable channel keeps going.    Wait a minute !!!    The public must be stupid !!!   They have made these a big hit!!   They actually listen to these forums.    I know you by your comments, but its come down to the country being fed up with government as usual.    Yes, Pres. Elect. Obama won, but, what is different about his promises than any other president.    Handouts got you voting that way.    I thought this country was built on hard work.    Not anymore.    Didn't Pres. Bush give a handout?   Thats Right !!! the liberals said it was just a temporary ploy.    How far did that check go for you.    Maybe Pres. Elect. Obama's check will last 10 months because thats what you will need.    Raise taxes on those who hire you, you lose.    Prices go up and we pay.    Remember Gas Prices.    Oil companies suffered, RIGHT!! What a deal.    Back to Acorn, Name me one non-partisan act they achieved.    Isn't that one of their slogans.    When will you look pastpartisan thoughts and think more on the lines of, Government as a whole don't care.    They have our hard earned money, gets paid every month, and some in congress have jobs for life.    They promise you everything, but what have you really received in relief.    One check or Higher taxes, higher product cost's.    Add up all your FICA, Social Security, Property, Product and other taxes you pay, then tell me both parties care.    We pay taxes on everything is our life, over and above what comes out of our pay checks.    Product taxes pay for the big company taxes and this comes out of our pocket.    GET IT !!

I love how everyone thats commented, states stealing in other companies.    AGAIN, the difference, the real companies fire these people.    Acorn just keeps bringing in the same dishonest people.   Everyone needs to get off this partisan trail and figure out, we the people own Acorn and should demand the same work ethic as we do other comapnies.    Do we not complain when a company does us wrong.    Difference is, we the people own this company and should demand the same excellence from this company as we do companies we don't own, but buy products from.   Remember the big uproar on companies using child labor.    We won that, and we should demand the same Bi-Partisan work ethic of Acorn.    If it was your company you would have those people fired and make your back ground checks more in depth.    Acorn has 4 years between presidential elections to insure this happens.    Any other company not being able to fix problems in 4 years would fold.

greg,

I think the problem is that Acorn hires part-time temporary workers at minimum wage. Most likely high-school or College students looking to make a few bucks. They may have clean backgrounds no matter how far you dig or what standard you set and still cheat the system by filling in names from the phone book.

I would hope that once someone is caught, they are fired and not rehired the next year or next election. But it can be very difficult to only hire honest people in these circumstances.

If you want higher standards, they would have to be paid more, offered full time positions with a career path, given benefits, etc.

As someone who was in charge of hiring and staffing multiple stores with minimum wage workers, I can tell you it's a challenge.  The really good ones you find, usually leave before too long for better paying jobs.  You are left with a handful of good employees that are loyal (And comfortable), and then a bunch of sketchy employees who either don't show up, don't do what they're told or steal.  Towards the end of my run we were getting so few applications and the current workers were stretched to breaking point working overtime hours that I had no choice but to hire people that in a perfect world I probably wouldn't have.  That's not to say I grabbed Charles Manson just because I had to fill a spot, but you hire people that you have questions about and hope that with proper training and supervision they will work out.  Unfortunately, doesn't always happen.

I would imagine that the vast majority of Acorn field workers are hired as "seasonal" employees and laid-off after the elections.  It's not like these people are working in the company for a couple of years and have earned the position and the trust of the company, it's just a nature of the beast.  If Acorn had the finances to hire college grads at $25 an hour, I'm sure they would.

As for bipartisanship- If I'm not mistaken, Acorn will register you to vote whether you're a Democrat, Republican, Independent, Green, etc.  That's bipartisan.

If what you say is true, Wouldn't it have been better, so Acorn could come across as a legit bi-partisan business, looking out for the people, shouldn't they have come out and say, "We have found irregularities in the ballots entered and we are doing everything we can to straighten this out".    Just to come across as fair, and not be taken to court over this.    To you, which sounds more plausible, to make a company look legitimate.    Why do you think their integrity is in question.    Those speeches by their so called leaders, coming out flattly, stating it was time for their employee's to get everyone to vote for Pres. Elect. Obama.    Its hard to despute that.    What do you think a real company would do if one of their employee's did that.    As to hire standards and the requirements to get those standards, doesn't someone as Acorn is supposed to be, and the importance of what this vote balloting company is supposed to do, why aren't they held as high as the states as to process?    This is way over and above everything else, because we are talking about our country, not some single business.

Sorry about the second reply, but I forgot an issue posed by bejeebies.    You seem to forget, they are tax funded by the government (US).    Wouldn't it be nice to know their limits of funding.    I also own a business, and do hire seasonal personnel, and I do make sure the right thing happens.    Yes, I have had problems with employee's, but when you know the type of employee you are going to get, it is your responsibility, especially with money you use, given by someone else.    You can't shrug this off.    It's getting typical for this country, when excuses for failings and illegalities are the norm. or just shrugged off.

Greg- As for Acorn leaders speaking about getting out the vote for Obama, I never heard of such.  Not saying it didn't happen- but I never heard it, so I can't speak intelligently about the subject.  Now, with any bipartisan Voter Registration Organization, I would certainly hope they keep whatever leanings they may have to themselves, but IF one were to support one candidate or party over the other, I wouldn't have a huge problem with it as long as they were still registering people from all parties, and not actively trying to persuade people as they were registering to go one way or the other.

As for them reporting irregularities, they do.  They separate them- suspicious registrations over here, all the rest over here, etc.  Legally they have to turn in all of the registrations they gather, but they do separate those that they believe to be fraudulent.

You would have had to have watched Fox news, but I guess you don't.    It was the actual meeting with the so called, self proclaimed leaders of Acorn, on camera, talking to the so called temp. employee's.    I wish I could remember their names, but I can't.    Please don't tell me this was a right wing conspiracy.    Actual film of this occurring speaks louder than print.    As to party leanings, if you secratary of state came out to endorse a president, even though they new their were people who would not vote that way, and went out of his or her way, to get people to vote for whom they wanted,    wouldn't you be up and arms.    These people are supposed to be for all people. Correct.    Same with Acorn as they advertise.    

Based on your comments back to me and my comments, we seem to be on the same page.    Doesn't that tell you, that both parties, and/or party members we elect are flat doing us, the citizen wrong.    Don't you think its time for the American Citizen to finally stand up and say, "Enough is Enough".    Its time for our government, and I repeat, our government. to start acting like they are their for us and not them or their croneys.    Look at California, on the marriage proposal.    The people voted once, saying they wanted marriage between a man and a women, to be the norm.   but the courts (I didn't know courts could legislate) made the American Citizens vote mean nothing.   They voted again on this subject and voted it down again.    Will the courts over rule the will of the people again?    This is not the only thing we voted on that has been turned down, nor is it going to be the last.    When is our Vote, or our voices going to be heard, and when is the American Citizen going to stand up for a change?    As to health care, just think if government didn't do what we are talking about, as to paying others unreal pay backs (both parties do it), what would be left, to do what you and I would like to see, then they could do what needs to be done for the poor, do what needs to be done on tax reductions, etc...    All politicians now, as to the bailout, aren't doing us any favors, the normal, law abiding Citizen.    Again, they don't care, no matter what they say.    When does it finally sink in.

Agreed.    Thanks for the conversation.   It was Great !!!

Most of my comments on the site are to get the same discussion we had, out of everyone else.   It makes it fun when you can do that.    Its to bad some get into hate, and other degrading things, but this was fun.

I forgot one thing.    I heard a joke today and here it is.

The President ( any president elect) was in his room preparing to make a speech to his flock.    The secretary of state came in and said "what are you offering the peasants in you speech today?"    President says "Nothing they can afford to refuse."    President goes out to his podium and speaks. " I promise you free health Care."    the people cheer !!!    "I promise Free Housing and Free Clothing."    The people cheer !!!    "I promise you free food stamps and no taxes."    The people cheer !!!    He looks at the crowd satisfied and then ask's, "Any Questions"?    One person in the crowd raises his hand and the president says "Yes, what's your question"?    THe citizen looks around, looks at the president and says " if thats the case, why do we need a job"?    Thought that was typical.

If Dems are such a disgrace this year, then explain why republicans were not a disgrace in 2000 when they voted against Clinton and not for Georgie Bush.

I am a registered independent, and I voted FOR Obama.  I am white, middle-aged, female, and working.  I have never received, nor do I expect a handout! I am tired of negative campaigning.  McCain's choice of Palin didn't encourage me to vote republican.  Obama was the best candidate for the job.  I pay taxes ,so I HAVE earned the right to vote!!

If their whole purpose was only to help the needy, why were they on TV praising those that voted for Pres. Elect Obama or telling people they needed to vote for Pres. Elect Obama.    Bi-Partisan, I think NOT !!   We, the people, pay this company to do a job.    You are a business owner, when your tax dollars pay for Acorn.    In real life, if you ran the business, and were supposed to do a job, in order to keep it, wouldn't you insist it was completed as advertised.    If not, I would understand why your company would fall apart.    You don't produce what you advertise and the company folds.    What makes our investment in Acorn any different.    We the People are the CEO's and aren't we demanding accountability from the big companies.    there is no difference.    We the people are bailing out these companies, and We the people are paying Acorn to do the right thing.    Tell me the Difference, unless your PARTISAN!!