Democrats Are Weak

Whoa... nice cliches...

and the GOP think the poor should starve to death rather than share a dime.
the GOP demanded we call come together after 911 and we did.. all under bush who enjoyed the highest polling of any president.

now that we have an economic 911 the GOP want to blame the victims for their own plight.

and lets not forget they have gone from the party of conservative ideas to the party of bold face liars and bigots.

and the GOP think the poor should starve to death rather than share a dime.

Sure thing there, joules. That explains why conservatives give more of their time and money to charity than liberals do...(please, please, please...ask me for 'proof' the way libs do when you hit them with a fact. I'm dying to post it for you.)

the GOP demanded we call come together after 911 and we did..

So you're saying you came together for Bush because Republicans told you to? Wow. Do you blindly follow what other people tell you to do often?

now that we have an economic 911 the GOP want to blame the victims for their own plight.

I would hardly call a deadbeat dad a 'victim'. I Also wouldn't call a tramp with 5 kids by 4 different men a 'victim' either. Oh...and the people who game the system by working for cash under the table and continue collecting benefits on the taxpayer dime aren't 'victims' either. Even Obama says there is BILLIONS of dollars worth or fraud and abuse. He claims he wants to clean it up. You claim they are mere 'victims'. Go figure.

and lets not forget they have gone from the party of conservative ideas to the party of bold face liars and bigots.

Is 'bigot' the left's new favorite political buzzword? I've seen it on the Vine a lot lately. You DO realize that everyone is a bigot, right? You DO know the definition of the word, right? Here. Allow me to educate you. Yet again. Consider it my 'charitable contribution' to a 'victim'.

big⋅ot⋅ed

  Pronunciation [big-uh-tid] Show IPA

–adjective

utterly intolerant of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.

yes the lib dems are nothing but a bunch of cry babies, and whiners..Pat you hit the nail on the head...I'm surprised if any of them can get dressed by themselves...

Who's crying? Who's whining? It appears to me that those on the right are whining the longest and strongest. Every time Obama says something or tries to do something, the minority has to get it's fifteen minutes of whining in. They vote against anything that's brought up by the majority, they hold up government appointees and then wonder why the "government can't get anything done". They're still trying to pin the country's problems on him, still trying to make him look like a socialist, immigrant or foreigner. Anything to try to get him out of office. There's your whining.

Who's crying? Who's whining?

"It's Bush's fault!" "Everyone who disagrees with Obama is a racist/bigot!" "If you don't want OUR healthcare plan, you just want to see people die!"...Do any of those sound familiar?

It appears to me that those on the right are whining the longest and strongest. Every time Obama says something or tries to do something, the minority has to get it's fifteen minutes of whining in.

Oh my. Shame on the minority for wanting to have input and the right to express their dissent over policies that aren't in the best interests of the people who elected them to office! Especially in a Republic! Would you be happier with a Dictatorship? It's statements like the above that make the world think the left is dying to see socialism implemented in this country. Tell the minority party to sit down, shut up and to hell with their input. I wonder if you were singing the same tune when Dems were in the minority?

They vote against anything that's brought up by the majority

Really? They voted against the troop surge? I wasn't aware of that. Regardless...why should this bother you? You guys have enough of a majority in both legislative branches that you could pass anything and everything Obama wanted without a single Republican vote. But that didn't happen, did it? Gee....I wonder if it's because some people from your OWN side of the fence disagreed with his policies as well.

"It's Bush's fault!" "Everyone who disagrees with Obama is a racist/bigot!" "If you don't want OUR healthcare plan, you just want to see people die!"...Do any of those sound familiar?

"Give me my America back!" "Obama's destroying the country!" "Obama wants the terrorists to win!" "Obama is giving US rights to the terrorists!" "Obama wants everyone on welfare"

[Insert anything and everything ever said by Beck, Limbaugh, Palin, Coulter, Hannity and Malkin.]

Oh my. Shame on the minority for wanting to have input and the right to express their dissent over policies that aren't in the best interests of the people who elected them to office! Especially in a Republic! Would you be happier with a Dictatorship? It's statements like the above that make the world think the left is dying to see socialism implemented in this country. Tell the minority party to sit down, shut up and to hell with their input. I wonder if you were singing the same tune when Dems were in the minority?

Actually, when the roles were reversed, yes the Dems were very anti-Bush. But I guess that's what happens when the "Decider" goes rogue and "decides" that he knows what's best for the country than the people. I guess this is the conservatives paying back the liberals for going against their "leader they'd love to have a beer with".

Opposition is fine and a right of all Americans. Playing the Opposite Game just because you hate who's in office is stupid.

Really? They voted against the troop surge? I wasn't aware of that.

Of course not, because it's exactly what they wanted. They talked against it because Obama was behind it, but when the votes came down, they all voted for it because it was part of their plan.

Regardless...why should this bother you? You guys have enough of a majority in both legislative branches that you could pass anything and everything Obama wanted without a single Republican vote. But that didn't happen, did it? Gee....I wonder if it's because some people from your OWN side of the fence disagreed with his policies as well.

Regardless of party, politicians are paid for, and they do what their money tells them. Bush didn't get much done with his majority either, did he? Did he pass a ton of bills just because they could? Not really. And now it's just going to get worse, now that corporations can just tell us who they want us to vote for. I hope conservatives enjoy their corporate masters, cause all their whining about Obama taking over has just been made moot.

I'm with politicalhermit. The two major parties have far too much in common to make voting for either one worthwhile. Both parties started on this road we're on and both bear equal responsibility for it.

It amazes me why so many people who know this to be true continue to vote against their own best interests because they're too proud to admit the truth.

So instead of voting for them or for the Tea Party (who are even more discombobulated), I'll vote Green. At least with them I'll get an honest, factual answer.

Look at the latest poll on Obama, his numbers are dropping like a brick. Those poll respondents were not just the "Repubs, the rich or Wall Street",...they are 'average Americans' of all walks, Tay.

Hmmm... I have to be interested in where you get your information from. "Dropping like a brick"? Perhaps you should look at the Pollster data... he seems to be hovering around 45-55%. I guess to some, that would be considered "dropping like a brick".

I'm a liberal, and I'd be happy to discuss anything with anyone, as long as it's not regurgitated talking points from the conservative "talking heads" bullpit. Fear? What fear? I think you guys highly overestimate your importance.

I think you guys highly overestimate your importance.

With all due respect it is the democrats who have had a feeling of self importance, especially our CinC. The elections in Mass. told us so. Instead of working on problems Americans felt were most important, ie jobs, he decides to pursue his own presidential legacy and pass HCR which was maybe 3rd on American's priorities.That is one big fat case of feeling self important. Thank God Massachusetts set him down a notch, which in turn, is a big positive for America and Americans.

No ,it is a loss for the entire nation who has the most expensive health care , rated 39th in the world by WHO , behind Cuba and other " Third World " nations , and has a lower infant mortality rate than most Third World Nations.

The extreme right and the GOP aren't concerned with America , they are concerned with keeping the " uppity negro " Obama , " In his place ".

Nothing but race , it has been and always will be despite the distortions.

I meant Highest Infant Mortality Rate.

The extreme right and the GOP aren't concerned with America , they are concerned with keeping the " uppity negro " Obama , " In his place ".

Pure bull@!$%#. HCR was a fraud. There was no DECREASE in price in insurance premiums, in fact, many, including the CBO said policies would increase. And there still would be 6-7% uninsured. Wasn't the original intent of HCR to lower the cost of policies, insure everyone and keep the policies if one so chooses? Aside from mandating that no one be penalized for pre-existing conditions there was absolutely nothing in way of good reform, just taking 16% of the GDP and sticking it under the gubmint's thumb. So take this "GOP is racist crap" and shove it. It is pure bull@!$%#. Give me true HCR where premiums will be lowered, all persons covered and no water down coverage in the face of tragedy.

With all due respect it is the democrats who have had a feeling of self importance, especially our CinC. The elections in Mass. told us so.

Massachusetts taught us one thing, and that is angry people will vote with their anger. Brown got voted in because of the people's anger, directed towards Democrats, and Obama got elected because of people's anger towards Republicans.

Instead of working on problems Americans felt were most important, ie jobs, he decides to pursue his own presidential legacy and pass HCR which was maybe 3rd on American's priorities.

The stimulus bill was an idea that was supposed to stem loss in jobs and keep the economy from tanking. It was based on a practice that has been done in the past, and this time, it probably didn't work as well as it should. Unfortunately, the corporations that were given money thought it more prudent to pay their executives huge bonuses instead of stemming the economic bleeding. You can't blame that on Obama, but I'm sure you will.

So, health care in the US ranks low in the world, and you don't think that we need health care reform? I'm sure all those people who lost their jobs and health care insurance are glad that there was no reform. I'm glad that there was no mandatory requirement bill passed, and I want health care reform.

That is one big fat case of feeling self important. Thank God Massachusetts set him down a notch, which in turn, is a big positive for America and Americans.

Really? So now that there is virtual stalemate in Congress, how is Obama supposed to get a jobs bill passed? Now that the Republicans are fighting him tooth and nail for everything, how are we supposed to get jobs now? Your Massachusetts hero has basically thrown a monkey wrench into economic reform and job growth for the next few months at least, maybe even the next several years. Yep, way to "take down Obama a notch" and "give something positive for America and Americans". If you wanted Obama to pass jobs legislation, it ain't gonna happen now. And you think the Republicans are going to build jobs here in America? They'll build jobs where ever their corporate sponsors tell them to build jobs...

The stimulus bill was an idea that was supposed to stem loss in jobs and keep the economy from tanking.

instead it went for obama political payoffs and rewards for support...it did nothing to help the economy...what a rip off..

, health care in the US ranks low in the world, and you don't think that we need health care reform

that's pure BS and one the libs use out of their ass to try to manipulate the ill informed . health care in the US is the best in the world, but not FREE ....go to Kenya or Nigeria to have your heart attack and see how you fare...get aids in Haiti and see how long you have..leaders of other countries come HERE for their surgeries instead of getting all that great care in their own gov run health care utopias...

I'm glad that there was no mandatory requirement bill passed, and I want health care reform.

spoken like a true dem lib " I want it so give it to me " wha , wha , wah, ---70% of the rest of us DON'T want it..we want this POS bill the dems thought up scraped, and that is why repubs are being elected and NOT dems...

So now that there is virtual stalemate in Congress, how is Obama supposed to get a jobs bill passed?

please dems leave your mitts off the jobs issue..they have bungled and messed up everything else , we sure as hell don't need them to f this up too..I don't want obam to pass anything ..I want him to sit on his hands and play with himself in the oval office while the american people go to work to fix this f''ed up mess the dems have made...

instead it went for obama political payoffs and rewards for support...it did nothing to help the economy...what a rip off..

You can't prove that it went for "political payoffs" and "rewards for support", you're just spitting in the wind. It's funny how the conservatives didn't want the bailouts or the stimulus, but when Obama wanted to go after the companies that took money and paid their bonuses instead, conservatives were all over him to "leave the corporations alone". So, they acted like they didn't want him to give the money out, but they didn't want him to get the money back. I guess we know who are the conservative's masters now.

that's pure BS and one the libs use out of their ass to try to manipulate the ill informed . health care in the US is the best in the world, but not FREE ....go to Kenya or Nigeria to have your heart attack and see how you fare...get aids in Haiti and see how long you have..leaders of other countries come HERE for their surgeries instead of getting all that great care in their own gov run health care utopias...

We have good medical care, but it's expensive and not available to everyone, mostly because of price. We've handed out care decisions to the insurance companies, rather than the doctors, which is just fine to conservatives. Sure, they'll bitch and complain that they want the doctors to make all the decisions, but they really follow the money when the chips are down.

To me, it's a bad thing when all aspects of life are maximized based on price. That just means that when an outbreak of a serious disease happens, the poor will die because they can't afford the vaccine, and the rich will die because they put all their faith in price maximized health care.

spoken like a true dem lib " I want it so give it to me " wha , wha , wah, ---70% of the rest of us DON'T want it..we want this POS bill the dems thought up scraped, and that is why repubs are being elected and NOT dems...

I'm not your idea of a "true dem lib". I don't want families tossed out on the street because someone gets sick. I don't want poor people or the homeless spreading disease because they can't get health care. The funny thing about diseases like HIV and AIDS is, there wouldn't be a concerted effort against the spread of HIV and AIDS in this country if it weren't for charities and the government. I seriously doubt your insurance company would cover you if you contracted AIDS. Many don't cover their own subscribers if they get cancer. Typical conservative "I got mine, screw you" isn't going to work well in the real world. That type of stuff tends to come back and bite you in the ass.

please dems leave your mitts off the jobs issue..they have bungled and messed up everything else , we sure as hell don't need them to f this up too..I don't want obam to pass anything ..I want him to sit on his hands and play with himself in the oval office while the american people go to work to fix this f''ed up mess the dems have made...

If the Dems "haven't done anything while in office", how have they bungled up everything? It's interesting how the conservatives whine and moan about "Obama must get on jobs!" until he starts to focus on jobs, then they don't want him to do anything with jobs. You conservatives are playing gainsaying games, whining and crying to the opposite of ANYTHING that Obama is doing, and when he takes your suggestions, suddenly, you flip-flop, even on the bills you created and supported. You're clearly only interested in politics that will allow you to get back in control. And when that happens, back to "trickle down economics", "spreading democracy across the world", and "enhanced interrogation techniques" all over again.

I can't believe that Sarah Palin had the gall to suggest that Obama would win another election if he waged war on Iran. Does she think she's using reverse psychology or something?

You can't prove that it went for "political payoffs" and "rewards for support

More importantly you can't prove it improved job creation either. BO made it appear, through saying what a recession/depression we would face if not for the passing of this worthless behemoth. BO would have better spent $780 billion by just giving money, say $500 billion into a fund where entrepreneurs offer their business plans and those that have a sound business model are given grants to form or to increase their business. This would have immediately, I repeat, IMMEDIATELY, put people to work not only as employees but to lay the infrastructure for said business.

We have good medical care, but it's expensive and not available to everyone,

And the HCR that was before us would have increased premiums, decreased care and still leave millions without. HCR needs to die and begin again with the original premise of affordable health care for all without adding to the debt and without forsaking care.

I don't want families tossed out on the street because someone gets sick.

No one would, dem or repub.

You're clearly only interested in politics that will allow you to get back in control.

Isn't that the point of it all? Elections have winners and losers. The winners lead while the losers try to regain strength and win once again. Do you actually think that during GWB tenure you libs were not doing everything you could, including politicizing the wars for your advantage, to regain power? Of course you did, unless you think that the best way to implement your agenda is by being backbechers, just laying on the sidelines.

More importantly you can't prove it improved job creation either. BO made it appear, through saying what a recession/depression we would face if not for the passing of this worthless behemoth.

Well, even though the corporations squandered the money, we're still better off than the alternative. People have this idea that "oh, we'd have a few months of crashed economy, and then things would return to normal", but I would disagree with that position. The stimulus wasn't the silver bullet, but I don't think there were many options at that point in time.

BO would have better spent $780 billion by just giving money, say $500 billion into a fund where entrepreneurs offer their business plans and those that have a sound business model are given grants to form or to increase their business. This would have immediately, I repeat, IMMEDIATELY, put people to work not only as employees but to lay the infrastructure for said business.

Really? Well, it appears that now that Obama is willing to invest in small businesses using the money returned from the bailout, all the conservatives are saying "NO!". So, if this is the BIG SOLUTION, why isn't it growing support across both houses and parties? Politics, that's why. The Republicans want that to be their idea, and to get the credit for it. They want to hold Obama from turning the economy around cause they want the credit. They want to be the heroes.

And the HCR that was before us would have increased premiums, decreased care and still leave millions without. HCR needs to die and begin again with the original premise of affordable health care for all without adding to the debt and without forsaking care.

I agree, it needs to be rebuilt. But the Republicans are positioning themselves again, "do it our way, or no way". How are we going to get a good bill out of that? It just ain't gonna happen.

Isn't that the point of it all? Elections have winners and losers. The winners lead while the losers try to regain strength and win once again. Do you actually think that during GWB tenure you libs were not doing everything you could, including politicizing the wars for your advantage, to regain power? Of course you did, unless you think that the best way to implement your agenda is by being backbechers, just laying on the sidelines.

I suppose if you look at if from a completely political standpoint. I, on the other hand, have rose colored glasses for my country and world that I live in. Sure, the Democrats used politics to get them back in the hot seat. But, so did Bush. He tried to make us feel that he was saving us and keeping us safe. But it didn't work, and the Republicans got punished for it.

Personally, I am appalled by the amount of politics that has been slung around over the past two years. The country has gone to the brink of collapse, and our leaders are more interested in politics than joining together to fix the problem. It's almost like watching a bunch of babies standing at the podium, crying about their latest want. And all the while, they're fighting over the latest toy, trying to kick each other out of the sand box... pitiful.

And instead of trying to bring Americans together to fix the problem, people write articles like this, dividing us further. "Democrats are weak." And then they point the finger at their favorite enemy and say "stop whining", when they are themselves whining. Pitiful.

If our forefathers were alive today, they'd slap the living daylights out of us.

Really? Well, it appears that now that Obama is willing to invest in small businesses using the money returned from the bailout

just like his entire administration: one day late and a dollar short. Wouldn't this investment into small business have been better served, like, LAST YEAR?!? Face it, BO put his presidential legacy ahead of America's best interests by jamming inferior HCR ahead of jobs. This is prime evidence of his complete lack of leadership by not knowing how to prioritize his agenda.

But the Republicans are positioning themselves again, "do it our way, or no way".

While I agree the GOP has been guilty of that, it must also be noted that the democrats wanted to pass crappy HCR just to tell the world that they brought about HCR, regardless of whether it sucked.

Sure, the Democrats used politics to get them back in the hot seat. But, so did Bush.

I agree.

And instead of trying to bring Americans together to fix the problem, people write articles like this, dividing us further. "Democrats are weak."

Just don't cite conservatives for this. A seeder whose name rhymes with Bobert Martholomew constantly seeds anti-conservative articles with no redeming features other than to blast the right. He even doesn't have the balls or honestly call himself a liberal. Not only does he fan the flames of hate, he lies to himself in order to feel better. Is liberal that bad a word?

just like his entire administration: one day late and a dollar short. Wouldn't this investment into small business have been better served, like, LAST YEAR?!?

Difficult to say. Wasn't the Bush bailout supposed to shore up banks so that they could continue to lend money to businesses so that they could continue to work? The stimulus was supposed to start new projects and keep continuing projects going, not save small business.

Face it, BO put his presidential legacy ahead of America's best interests by jamming inferior HCR ahead of jobs. This is prime evidence of his complete lack of leadership by not knowing how to prioritize his agenda.

Presidential legacy?!?!?! What presidential legacy? The guy just barely got started, and jobs and businesses are dropping like flies. I doubt there was anything he could have done fast enough to keep companies from going out of business. Every time he tried to get the banks going and keeping them from foreclosing on Americans, the opposition threw him under the bus. Remember, Rush Limbaugh and his ilk, "wants Obama to fail." So now that the economy is on life support, and he wants to turn his attention to rebuilding small business, he can't cause the opposition still want him to fail. How's that for patriotism.

While I agree the GOP has been guilty of that, it must also be noted that the democrats wanted to pass crappy HCR just to tell the world that they brought about HCR, regardless of whether it sucked.

Yes, they wanted to get reform passed. And every crooked swindler with his hand in the cookie jar wanted to put his little earmark in, which is hardly Obama's fault. We are in desperate need of getting health care out of the hands of the bean counters, but those who love "free market enterprise" want us to just hand our wallets over to the insurance companies. Good way to look out for your constituents.

Just don't cite conservatives for this. A seeder whose name rhymes with Bobert Martholomew constantly seeds anti-conservative articles with no redeming features other than to blast the right. He even doesn't have the balls or honestly call himself a liberal. Not only does he fan the flames of hate, he lies to himself in order to feel better.

I cite the article writer, because the article is part of the internet, not just Newsvine. Robert has the right to seed these articles, just as conservatives have the right to seed articles just to blast liberals and the Obama Administration.

Is liberal that bad a word?

I'm tired of hearing how liberals are "weak", "traitors" and "terrorist lovers". I'm tired of being blasted as a "entitlement" or "lazy" liberal, a socialist or marxist. I'm tired of people going on and on about how Democrats were for segregation and slavery, and that I lack charity or compassion. I'm tired of being told that I don't love my country, and that I'm a second class citizen, godless heathen and lowest-of-the-low. If you want me to help you fix the problems in this country, then this is not the way to do it.

Yes, liberal has become a bad word in it's current context.

Presidential legacy?!?!?! What presidential legacy?

For real? C'mon, you're either naive or just playing possum. If you can't see how desperate BO was/is to beat Clinton at getting healthcare passed than you really are living with your head buried in the sand. He hates Clinton and the feeling seems mutual. BO has a grandiose sense of self and HCR would, in his mind, put him in the pantheon of presidential greats.

I'm tired of hearing how liberals are "weak", "traitors" and "terrorist lovers". I'm tired of being blasted as a "entitlement" or "lazy" liberal, a socialist or marxist.

I can empathize. I also get tired of the old warmonger, old lady killing, nazi and the like. I would like to be in a place where this didn't exist but it seems the Vine is a good, most place fore this mold to fester.

If you want me to help you fix the problems in this country, then this is not the way to do it.

I agree but would like to point out that liberals are just as guilty at the name throwing and the smarmy answers as well. This is by no means a one-way street. Both sides need much improvement.

For real? C'mon, you're either naive or just playing possum. If you can't see how desperate BO was/is to beat Clinton at getting healthcare passed than you really are living with your head buried in the sand. He hates Clinton and the feeling seems mutual. BO has a grandiose sense of self and HCR would, in his mind, put him in the pantheon of presidential greats.

Bah! Who cares what Obama thinks of Clinton and "his legacy". I just want to see this president and this administration do positive things. The Republicans put up smoke screens about what they want from HCR, and we all know that their ideas are already in the bill. They're just saying "no" strictly out of hate and politics.

I agree but would like to point out that liberals are just as guilty at the name throwing and the smarmy answers as well. This is by no means a one-way street. Both sides need much improvement.

Then someone needs to be the "bigger man" and stop all the crap and come to the table ready to work. Obama has tried numerous times. Is the other side even going to try? If not, then welcome to the era where we are most vulnerable to terrorist attack. Our government bickers while DC burns...

I disagree with your opinion here. i dont see how a party that has no control in either house can tear up the country.

And as for the republicans being selfish, I would bet that more republicans than democrates donate to charities.

The problem with democrats is they represent a broad spectrum of the American people.

No...Democrats represent a very narrow spectrum. And they are loathed by Liberals and Progressives. Somehow, sometime..the radical element of the left wing turned the Dem party into a mutant.

I also feel there are bigots within the democratic party who have been planted to divide the party.

First we had the 'right wing conspiracy' theory. Is this the new 'left wing conspiracy' theory?

The republicans hold one head, they are selfish and think they are supreme beings.

Huh? Do you have anything to back up this strawman argument?

These people would rather send your sons and daughters to war

My daughter VOLUNTEERED so someone else's kid wouldn't get drafted. In fact, I know it's a newsflash...but ALL of our troops volunteered.

rather than provide national health care for all American citizens.

Define what you mean by 'provide'. Do we want to se the government take over a system of insurance distribution that even THEY can't articulate or tell us how it woll be paid for? No. We don't like socialism. Do we want to see health care coverage become affordable for all Americans without compromising promptness on service or quality? Yes.

They lost the election and within a year they have managed to tear this country apart with their hateful and prejudice hearts.

Wow. Talk about a sore winner. You control all three branches of government and you're still blaming the GOP for the mess the country is in? What has Obama done in the last year? He's had complete and total control.

Pat N

This is the typical do nothing democrates, sit on their butts and wait to place blame on someone else.

The democrats will be a party of good as soon as the get the liberals and the progressives out.

My daughter VOLUNTEERED so someone else's kid wouldn't get drafted. In fact, I know it's a newsflash...but ALL of our troops volunteered.

They all volunteered to go to a war that their commander in chief told them was valid and necessary. How did that turn out again?

They all volunteered to go to a war that their commander in chief told them was valid and necessary. How did that turn out again?

you tell us since it is still going on..and now obam thinks all the terrorists need lawyers and trials, that will cost us billions of dollars more...what a f''ed up mess obam has made of everything...

They all volunteered to go to a war that their commander in chief told them was valid and necessary. How did that turn out again?

I'm not sure what you're talking about.

Are you talking about the 30,000 troops sent to Afghanistan under Obama?

If you're talking about Iraq, I believe our current CiC says...and I quote..."The surge worked".

you tell us since it is still going on..and now obam thinks all the terrorists need lawyers and trials, that will cost us billions of dollars more...what a f''ed up mess obam has made of everything...

Hey, he's just following the normal procedures of this land based on law. This isn't a typical war, and you don't want to give law enforcement (or the military for that matter) the power to charge anyone as an "enemy combatant". Once that starts, we're on the road to true fascism. Get a leader that decides that all people of a certain brand are "enemy combatants", and you might as well hang up your hats. And I thought you conservatives knew when we were headed down the road to fascism...

The reason the trials are costing extra cash is because everyone's afraid of these terrorists like they have super powers or something. "If the terrorist escapes, they will kill millions!" Fear leads to extra security, which costs money.

I wonder where we got all this fear of the terrorists from? Let me think...

I'm not sure what you're talking about.

Are you talking about the 30,000 troops sent to Afghanistan under Obama?

I'm talking about everyone who went to Iraq. Bush told us it was needed, and it was a valid war. We didn't draft soldiers, we sent our already enlisted men, and those we recruited were volunteers, not draftees. There were some "reinstatement to active duty", but I believe those people were needed in key leadership roles.

If you're talking about Iraq, I believe our current CiC says...and I quote..."The surge worked".

Yes, the surge worked, for what it was supposed to do. Iraq is far from being "Obama's War", but he's going to finish it and bring our folks home.

I'm talking about everyone who went to Iraq.

OK. So you're talking about the troop surge in Iraq that even Obama claims was a success. Got it.

Bush told us it was needed, and it was a valid war.

As did the Dem controlled Congress that overwhelmingly voted to fund it.

We didn't draft soldiers, we sent our already enlisted men, and those we recruited were volunteers, not draftees.

No kidding. Glad we're on the same page. The previous poster tried to state that we somehow forced our troops to go to war zones. As I mentioned, and as you seem to agree...our troops VOLUNTEERED to go to war zones.